The Podcast offers an insightful discussion with four Carnegie scholars about the account of Russia-China relations. The nature of the Sino-Russian relationship has preoccupied policy-makers and academics for the last few years. While some define the burgeoning rapprochement as "axis of convenience" and "axis of authoritarianism," others define it as "entente" and "alliance." The Carnegie scholars Dmitri Trenin, Eugene Rumer, and Alexander Gabuev invite us to look further at the Sino-Russian commonalities and focus on the limitations of their relations. What is Russia getting from its pivot to China? What are the boundaries of Russia-China cooperation? What are their views on the international order? and What are the implications for US foreign policy?